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| Posted on 08-01-2007 21:17 |
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I ran into some issues while toying with the latest Limnor beta. These issues also appear in the older "stable" release. Maybe some of the following arn't really bugs, but its worth mentioning them anyway:
* The "Limnor Performers" tab crashes with an exception error when dragging performers onto a page. Only "Performers by Catagories" works. If this is not a bug, as it seems prominent to even beginners, maybe replace the error message with a more graceful notification box?
* Semi-transparent pages don't properly render controls (buttons, etc.) on the screen; controls appear as strange black objects.
* Limnor freezes with 100% CPU usage when fading out a page that contains animated GIFs. Fading in seems to work. Application fade-in doesn't work when assigned to the "Application.OnStart" event.
* DVD movie seeking fails (Next & Previous actions) while executing for/while loops. It only functions when running the app via application map.
* Some property menus fail to open when "Extra Performers", such as loops and arrays exist.
* Application security features: "Designer" and "Viewer" seem to have the same behavior. A locked project file still be executes by clicking it, even when using the "Viewer" security setting.
* Some applications that fade on exit will not re-appear in Limnor's IDE, until executed and terminated via application map.
* Standalone applications configured to appear in the Windows task bar, don't. I think the splash screen inadvertently grabs focus while launching the main program, thus blocking the app from appearing in the task bar?
* Some applications don't kill their process(s) upon closure. Example: My DVD Player app will properly close before I load a DVD movie, yet only the window will close (not the process) after playing a DVD. My program will actually crash if I exit while a DVD title menu is shown.
If these are bugs, I hope this report helps further improve Limnor's stability in upcoming releases. 
Edited by Xaero_Vincent on 08-01-2007 22:10 |
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| Posted on 08-01-2007 23:53 |
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Thanks a lot, Xaero, for reporting the bugs. It definitely will help stabilizing Limnor.
A new beta version has been uploaded which fixed some of the bugs.
*The "Limnor Performers" tab crashes -- it is fixed.
* Semi-transparent pages don't properly render controls -- it is fixed in such a way: the transparency is only used in runtime, not the designtime.
*Fade-in related problems: Fade-in not working in some situations. please use "AnimateShow" and "AnimateHide" instead.
*DVD related problems: try use WindowsMediaPlayer performer under Multimedia category to see if the same problems are there. The differences between the two are that one is built on the ActiveX control and the other (WindowsMediaPlayer) is not.
* Some property menus fail to open when "Extra Performers", such as loops and arrays exist -- which menus?
*application not appear in task bar -- to make a page appear in the task bar, set "ShowInTaskbar" property to true. It only affect that page only, not globally across the whole application.
*"Designer" and "Viewer" -- when an application's "Security" property is set only a designer can open the application in design mode. |
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| Posted on 09-01-2007 01:19 |
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A new beta version has been uploaded which fixed some of the bugs.
*The "Limnor Performers" tab crashes -- it is fixed.
* Semi-transparent pages don't properly render controls -- it is fixed in such a way: the transparency is only used in runtime, not the designtime.
Wow! Really? That is impressive fix time! 
The beta still says December 23rd though. I suppose that text will be changed later?
*Fade-in related problems: Fade-in not working in some situations. please use "AnimateShow" and "AnimateHide" instead.
Oh those are cool page transitions I haven't seen. It doesnt matter about the fade-out issue. I found a workaround, which is to disable and hide the GIF file when a fade-out effect is about to occur.
*DVD related problems: try use WindowsMediaPlayer performer under Multimedia category to see if the same problems are there. The differences between the two are that one is built on the ActiveX control and the other (WindowsMediaPlayer) is not.
OK, I'll see if the skip problem exists. But as I said in a different thread, this performer doesn't seem to work so well for a DVD playback. Is there equivalents to the "DVDPlay" and "DVDTopMenu" actions in WindowsMediaPlayer?
* Some property menus fail to open when "Extra Performers", such as loops and arrays exist -- which menus?
I think the issue actually occurs when mixing performers from .NET classes with those that are not.
A simple example is opening up Limnor and creating a status bar using .NET assembly: "System.Windows.Forms.StatusBar".
After, create two or more "Extra Performers". Try adding say... an ActionArray and a LoopWhile performer (in that order).
Then try selecting the "LoopWhile" performer in the properties menu. It ignores selection and chooses "System.Windows.Forms.StatusBar" instead. It happens with all "Extra Performers", except the first one in the list.
*application not appear in task bar -- to make a page appear in the task bar, set "ShowInTaskbar" property to true. It only affect that page only, not globally across the whole application.
Yes, but that is the problem. The property is set to "true", yet it still doesn't appear in the task bar.
Perhaps this is only an issue with the unregistered version, which I use. Maybe the splash screen that appears each time I load my standalone (.EXE) program, is whats causing the problem?
An example is with my DVD Player: If I launch the program and click on the window *while it's still loading*, a task bar tab for the app will appear. But if I don't click on the program window as it appears during load time, a task bar tab will not appear.
The same is true with other stand-alone apps. The only difference is most of them load so quickly that I cannot click on the window fast enough (while it's loading) for a tab to appear.
*"Designer" and "Viewer" -- when an application's "Security" property is set only a designer can open the application in design mode.
OK. Hmm...
So what is the main difference between the "Designer" and "Viewer" options in the Security property? |
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| Posted on 09-01-2007 18:54 |
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A new beta version has been uploaded which fixed some of the bugs.
*The "Limnor Performers" tab crashes -- it is fixed.
* Semi-transparent pages don't properly render controls -- it is fixed in such a way: the transparency is only used in runtime, not the designtime.
OK, I've tried the newest beta and it seems to only migrated the bug elsewhere:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6886/strangeyh2.png
The page transparency bug was mitigated somewhat but it still won't render properly until the application window is resized. Maybe try internally refreshing the the application window upon startup?
* Some property menus fail to open when "Extra Performers", such as loops and arrays exist -- which menus?
*application not appear in task bar -- to make a page appear in the task bar, set "ShowInTaskbar" property to true. It only affect that page only, not globally across the whole application.
Were you able to reproduce these problems? If not, I can post screenshots. |
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| Posted on 09-01-2007 22:18 |
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I was not able to reproduce it. Please post a screenshot. Thanks! |
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| Posted on 10-01-2007 00:40 |
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dge wrote:
I was not able to reproduce it. Please post a screenshot. Thanks!
OK... How about a 2.5 minute video instead?
10 MB download... it is the best I can do while keeping the video legible.
http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/56179/Bug-Video-zip.html |
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| Posted on 10-01-2007 02:13 |
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nice video. a good way to create training video.
Were you showing that the "Extra performers" selection was not in sync with the dropdown list on top of the "properties" window?
Right-click on items in the "Extra performers" brings up a context menu. |
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| Posted on 10-01-2007 03:43 |
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dge wrote:
nice video . a good way to create training video.
Were you showing that the "Extra performers" selection was not in sync with the dropdown list on top of the "properties" window?
Right-click on items in the "Extra performers" brings up a context menu.
Heh... no. I was trying to prove that I couldn't access any property window because it kept reverting back to the .NET performer.
Even right clicking and selecting "properties" won't bring up the selected performer's property window. It just continues to select the .NET-based perfomer only, *not* the performer I clicked or selected in the drop-down menu. 
I want to be able to access all my performer's properties by clicking them without it constantly reverting back to the .NET one.
This is erroneous behavior in my mind and very frustrating because it inhibits my ability to modify default performer properties, a key part of Limnor.
I know this is a bug because I get the expected behavior (it selects my performer when I click it) when .NET performers arn't being used.
Please try and understand.
Also, did you take notice of that bug in the "Limnor Performers" tab that treats all performers as a CoinAcceptor? The bug was introduced in the latest beta (January 9th).
Here is my screenshot as well:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6886/strangeyh2.png
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| Posted on 11-01-2007 01:38 |
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Thanks for your explanations.
A new beta is ready at http://www.limnor.com/downloads/limnor.msi which fixed the "Extra performer" properties problem.
About the bug showing by strangeyh2.png, we are trying to reproduce it. |
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| Posted on 11-01-2007 11:58 |
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Even though clicking the item in the "Extra Performer" menu doesn't do anything, I can now right click and select it's properties or use the drop down list and works this time. I think thats acceptable behavior. Thanks.
The problem shown in "strangeyh2.png" is there. Its very easy to reproduce. Just drag an item from the "Limnor Performers" tab onto your program page and you'll see it.
Why is the "Limnor Performers" tab needed anyway? The "Performers by Catagories" tab is essentially the same thing, correct? Maybe a quick fix would be just to remove the tab? 
Another note... I discovered that the WMP9 and WMP10 performers still work fine when the newest WMP11 is installed on my computer. I think it may be backwards compatable.
Maybe try it out and see? Might be worth noting in the release notes.
Edited by Xaero_Vincent on 11-01-2007 12:26 |
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| Posted on 12-01-2007 00:16 |
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You are right, the "Limnor Performers" tab is redundant.
Thanks for trying WMP11. It is a good news. In the past we were scared by every WMP version upgrade. |
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| Posted on 13-01-2007 16:34 |
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I ran into some more bugs while testing the newest beta. I think you introduced one of them after fixing the "Extra Performers" issue.
Bugs:
1) Creating a new performer that appears in the "Extra Performers" tab, such as a "Timer" or "Array", will spawn an exception error message if properties are modified inside the properties window (as shown in Bug1.png).
Clicking "Yes", running and exiting the application once, then deleting a performer in "Extra Performers" will spawn a new error message with a "Details" button (as shown in Bug1_2.png).
The screenshot and error log files are available here:
http://www.geocities.com/darkvincentdude/Bug.zip
2) Performers created from .NET classes will not correctly save their property settings when changed via the properties window. The only way this works is by altering the performers' phyiscal location first.
Very strange.
3) Minor Issue: The "Extra Performers" tool window appears when switching Limnor between desktop and full-screen modes.
Edited by Xaero_Vincent on 14-01-2007 15:20 |
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| Posted on 15-01-2007 04:39 |
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Thanks!
They will be fixed soon |
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| Posted on 15-01-2007 04:57 |
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dge wrote:
Thanks!
They will be fixed soon
Alright, sounds good. |
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| Posted on 19-01-2007 01:04 |
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dge wrote:
Thanks!
They will be fixed soon
So how is the bug fixing going?
The current beta error message bug is too difficult for me to ignore. I'm kinda waiting for the next beta before continuing my project. |
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| Posted on 19-01-2007 04:12 |
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Thanks for the bug report. They are fixed. Please download the new beta at http://www.limnor.com/downloads/limnor.msi |
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| Posted on 19-01-2007 22:50 |
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Fantastic!
I've tested this new beta and all the bugs mentioned are fixed except one. The minor issue were the "Extra Perfromers" window appears, still remains.
Heh, it seems the beta release of Limnor is now much more stable than the official release.
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| Posted on 20-01-2007 00:10 |
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The issue on the "Extra Performers" window is fixed. A new beta will be uploaded in a few days.
Thanks to your bug reports and other users' bug reports, we can make it stable. |
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| Posted on 31-01-2007 21:03 |
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New bug
Hotspot "text" drawings fail to appear at runtime while shape and image hotspot drawings do.
Additionally, incase you did not see my response about the existing "Extra Performers" bug before it was deleted, it still exists.
However, the bug only appears after purposely opening and closing the "Extra Performer" window twice then switching between desktop and covered modes. Everything seems to work fine the first time around. |
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| Posted on 01-02-2007 04:15 |
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A new beta is available at http://www.limnor.com/downloads/limnor.msi
But Hotspot "text" issue could not be re-produced. Was it covered by a control? |
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